{"id":8972,"date":"2025-06-28T11:21:57","date_gmt":"2025-06-28T16:21:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=8972"},"modified":"2025-06-29T10:33:28","modified_gmt":"2025-06-29T15:33:28","slug":"busybeaver6-is-really-quite-large","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=8972","title":{"rendered":"BusyBeaver(6) is really quite large"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For overdetermined reasons, I&#8217;ve lately found the world an increasingly terrifying and depressing place.  It&#8217;s gotten harder and harder to concentrate on research, or even popular science writing.  Every so often, though, something breaks through that wakes my inner child, reminds me of why I fell in love with research thirty years ago, and helps me forget about the triumphantly strutting factions working to destroy everything I value.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Back in 2022, I <a href=\"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=6673\">reported an exciting advance<\/a> in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottaaronson.com\/papers\/bb.pdf\">BusyBeaverology<\/a>: namely, whereas we previously knew merely that BB(6) &gt; 10<sup>36,534<\/sup>, Pavel Kropitz managed to show that<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">BB(6) &gt; <sup>15<\/sup>10.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For those tuning in from home, here BB(6) is the 6<sup>th<\/sup> Busy Beaver number, i.e. the maximum number of steps that a 6-state Turing machine with a {0,1} alphabet can take before halting, when run on an initially all-0 input tape. Also, the left-superscript means <i><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tetration\">tetration<\/a><\/i>, or iterated exponentiation: for example, <sup>15<\/sup>10 means 10 to the 10 to the 10 and so on 15 times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By comparison, last year the international &#8220;BBchallenge&#8221; team <a href=\"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=8088\">determined that BB(5) is &#8220;merely&#8221; 47,176,870<\/a> (see also <em>Quanta<\/em> magazine&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.quantamagazine.org\/amateur-mathematicians-find-fifth-busy-beaver-turing-machine-20240702\/\">superb feature article<\/a> on that milestone).  So, between 5 and 6 is where the Busy Beaver function makes its leap, from the millions to beyond the bounds of observable reality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But if you thought that was the end of the BB(6) story, think again!  Eleven days ago, Tristan Sterin, who organized the BBchallenge the team, emailed to tell me that a team member with the handle &#8220;mxdys&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.bbchallenge.org\/wiki\/1RB1LC_1LA1RE_0RD0LA_1RZ1LB_1LD0RF_0RD1RB\">improved the BB(6) bound yet further<\/a>, to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">BB(6) &gt; <sup>10,000,000<\/sup>10<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(i.e., 10 to the 10 to the 10 and so on 10 million times), with a <a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/ccz181078\/busycoq\/blob\/BB6\/verify\/SOBCv4.v\">correctness proof in Coq<\/a>.  Then, three days ago, Tristan wrote <em>again<\/em> to say that mxdys has <a href=\"https:\/\/bbchallenge.org\/1RB1RA_1RC---_1LD0RF_1RA0LE_0LD1RC_1RA0RE\">improved the bound <em>again<\/em><\/a>, to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">$$ BB(6) \\gt ^{^{{^9}2}2}2 $$<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I.e., BB(6) is at least 2 tetrated to the 2 tetrated to the 2 tetrated to the 9. So in particular, BB(6) is at least 2 pentated to the 5, where <em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pentation\">pentation<\/a><\/em> is iterated tetration, i.e. the operation that is to tetration as tetration is to exponentiation, exponentiation is to multiplication, and multiplication is to addition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Last week, when we &#8220;merely&#8221; knew that BB(6) &gt; <sup>10,000,000<\/sup>10, I talked to a journalist who asked me to give an intuitive sense of how big such a number is.  So I said, imagine you had <sup>10,000,000<\/sup>10 grains of sand. Then you could &#8230; well, uh &#8230; you could fill about <sup>10,000,000<\/sup>10 copies of the observable universe with that sand.  I hope that helps people visualize it!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The journalist also asked: have these new discoveries about BB(6) caused me to rethink any broader beliefs about the Busy Beaver function? And I mean, yes and no: it was <em>always<\/em> completely within the realm of possibility that BB(6) would already be, not some puny little thing like 10<sup>36,534<\/sup>, but way out in iteration land. Now that we know for sure that it is, though, maybe I ought to conjecture that the value of BB(n) becomes independent of the ZFC axioms of set theory already when n is 7 or 8 or 9, rather than when it&#8217;s 20 or 30 or whatever. (Currently, we <a href=\"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=7388\">know<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/CatsAreFluffy\/metamath-turing-machines\">that<\/a> BB(n) becomes independent of ZFC only when n=643.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">Unrelated Update:<\/mark><\/strong> I&#8217;m just now returning to the US from <a href=\"https:\/\/acm-stoc.org\/stoc2025\/STOCprogram.html\">STOC&#8217;2025<\/a> in Prague, where I saw lots of old friends and learned many interesting new things, again helping to distract me from the state of the world!    Many I&#8217;ll write about some of those things in a future post.  For now, though, anyone who&#8217;s interested in my STOC plenary lecture, entitled &#8220;The Status of Quantum Speedups,&#8221; can <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottaaronson.com\/talks\/status.ppt\">check out the PowerPoint slides here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For overdetermined reasons, I&#8217;ve lately found the world an increasingly terrifying and depressing place. It&#8217;s gotten harder and harder to concentrate on research, or even popular science writing. 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