{"id":8200,"date":"2024-08-11T15:56:10","date_gmt":"2024-08-11T20:56:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=8200"},"modified":"2024-08-11T17:48:31","modified_gmt":"2024-08-11T22:48:31","slug":"my-pontificatiest-ai-podcast-ever","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=8200","title":{"rendered":"My pontificatiest AI podcast ever!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Back in May, I had the honor (nay, honour) to speak at <a href=\"https:\/\/howthelightgetsin.org\/festivals\/hay\/programme\">HowTheLightGetsIn<\/a>, an ideas festival held annually in Hay-on-Wye on the English\/Welsh border.  It was my first time in that part of the UK, and I loved it.  There was an immense amount of mud due to rain on the festival ground, and many ideas presented at the talks and panels that I vociferously disagreed with (but isn&#8217;t that the point?).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At some point, interviewer Alexis Papazoglou with the <a href=\"https:\/\/iai.tv\/home\">Institute for Art and Ideas<\/a> ambushed me while I was trudging through the mud to sit me down for a half-hour interview about AI that I&#8217;d only vaguely understood was going to take place, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=e9O75xFQUio\"><strong>that interview is now up on YouTube<\/strong><\/a>.  I strongly recommend listening at 2x speed: you&#8217;ll save yourself fifteen minutes, I&#8217;ll sound smarter, my verbal infelicities will be less noticeable, what&#8217;s not to like?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I was totally unprepared and wearing a wrinkled t-shirt, but I dutifully sat in the beautiful chair arranged for me and shot the breeze about AI.  The result is actually one of the recorded AI conversations I&#8217;m happiest with, the one that might convey the most of my worldview per minute.  Topics include:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>My guesses about where AI is going<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>How I respond to skeptics of AI<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The views of Roger Penrose and where I part ways from him<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The relevance (or not) of the quantum No-Cloning Theorem to the hard problem of consciousness<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Whether and how AI will take over the world<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>An overview of AI safety research, including interpretability and dangerous capability evaluations<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>My work on watermarking for OpenAI<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Last night I watched the video with my 7-year-old son.  His comment: \u201cI understood it, and it kept my brain busy, but it wasn\u2019t really <em>fun<\/em>.\u201d  But hey, at least my son didn\u2019t accuse me of being so dense I don\u2019t even understand that \u201can AI is just a program,\u201d like many commenters on YouTube did!  My YouTube critics, in general, were helpful in reassuring me that I wasn&#8217;t just arguing with strawmen in this interview (is there even such a thing as a strawman position in philosophy and AI?).  Of course the critics would&#8217;ve been more helpful still if they&#8217;d, y&#8217;know, <em>counterargued<\/em>, rather than just calling me &#8220;really shallow,&#8221; &#8220;superficial,&#8221; an &#8220;arrogant poser,&#8221; a &#8220;robot,&#8221; a &#8220;chattering technologist,&#8221; &#8220;lying through his teeth,&#8221; and &#8220;enmeshed in so many faulty assumptions.&#8221;  Watch and decide for yourself!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Meanwhile, there\u2019s already a <em>second<\/em> video on YouTube, entitled <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8ZPUkxOEM-s?si=rYtAbi01FKotpXdS\">Philosopher reacts to &#8216;OpenAI expert Scott Aaronson on consciousness, quantum physics, and AI safety.&#8217;<\/a> &nbsp; So I opened the video, terrified that I was about to be torn a new asshole. But no, this philosopher just replays the whole interview, occasionally pausing it to interject comments like \u201cyes, really interesting, I agree, Scott makes a great point here.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">Update:<\/mark><\/strong> You can also <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=SvqZ40Eu0u4\">watch the same interviewer grill General David Petraeus<\/a>, at the same event in the same overly large chairs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Back in May, I had the honor (nay, honour) to speak at HowTheLightGetsIn, an ideas festival held annually in Hay-on-Wye on the English\/Welsh border. It was my first time in that part of the UK, and I loved it. 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