{"id":7409,"date":"2023-07-16T22:28:01","date_gmt":"2023-07-17T03:28:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=7409"},"modified":"2023-07-16T22:28:01","modified_gmt":"2023-07-17T03:28:01","slug":"common-knowledge-and-quantum-utility","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/?p=7409","title":{"rendered":"Common knowledge and quantum utility"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Yesterday James Knight did a fun interview with me for his &#8220;Philosophical Muser&#8221; podcast about Aumann&#8217;s agreement theorem and human disagreements more generally.  It&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=F8J_rFmBDyc\">already on YouTube here<\/a> for those who would like to listen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Speaking of making things common knowledge, several people asked me to blog about the recent IBM paper in <em>Nature<\/em>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-023-06096-3\">&#8220;Evidence for the utility of quantum computing before fault tolerance.&#8221;<\/a>  So, uhh, consider it blogged about now!  I was very happy to have the authors speak (by Zoom) in our UT Austin quantum computing group meeting.  Much of the discussion focused on whether they were claiming a quantum advantage over classical, and how quantum computing could have &#8220;utility&#8221; if it doesn&#8217;t beat classical.  Eventually I understood something like: no, they weren&#8217;t <em>claiming<\/em> a quantum advantage for their physics simulation, but they also hadn&#8217;t <em>ruled out the possibility<\/em> of quantum advantage (i.e., they didn&#8217;t know how to reproduce many of their data points in reasonable time on a classical computer), and they&#8217;d be <em>happy<\/em> if quantum advantage turned out to stand, but were also prepared for the possibility that it wouldn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I also understood: we&#8217;re now in an era where we&#8217;re going to see more and more of this stuff: call it the &#8220;pass the popcorn&#8221; era of potential quantum speedups for physical simulation problems.  And I&#8217;m totally fine with it&#8212;as long as people communicate about it honestly, as these authors took pains to.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then, a few days after our group meeting came <a href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/2306.16372\">three<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/scirate.com\/arxiv\/2306.14887\">papers<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/scirate.com\/arxiv\/2306.15970\">refuting<\/a> the quantum speedup that was never claimed in the first place, by giving efficient classical simulations.  And I was fine with that too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I remember that years ago, probably during one of the interminable debates about D-Wave, Peter Shor mused to me that quantum computers might someday show &#8220;practical utility&#8221; without &#8220;beating&#8221; classical computers in any complexity-theoretic sense&#8212;if, for example, a single quantum device could easily simulate a thousand different quantum systems, and if the device&#8217;s performance on any one of those systems could be matched classically, but only if a team of clever programmers spent a year optimizing for that specific system.  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re at that stage yet, and even if we <em>do<\/em> reach the stage it hopefully won&#8217;t last forever.  But I acknowledge the possibility that such a stage might exist and that we might be heading for it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday James Knight did a fun interview with me for his &#8220;Philosophical Muser&#8221; podcast about Aumann&#8217;s agreement theorem and human disagreements more generally. It&#8217;s already on YouTube here for those who would like to listen. Speaking of making things common knowledge, several people asked me to blog about the recent IBM paper in Nature, &#8220;Evidence [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"_wpas_customize_per_network":false},"categories":[31,5,12,4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7409","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-announcements","category-complexity","category-metaphysical-spouting","category-quantum"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7409","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7409"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7409\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7410,"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7409\/revisions\/7410"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7409"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7409"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/scottaaronson.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7409"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}